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Same question back to back

トッド
Asked 5 years ago

There are a couple of suggestions that might help my learning experience possibly.

1) Having the opposite question back to back. J to E and then immediately I find the same question but E to J. I feel this doesn't help as much as it could because you just answered it in the previous question.

2) Multi-choice is good sometimes, but I'm not so sure that it's the best for this. The reason is that you can narrow down the choices. You're not really doing a full blown recall. For example, if I know what all the stuff in the multi-choice answers are except for one of them (the question I'm answering), then by a process of elimination I found the correct answer. But I think the questions want me to select the answer using recall, not elimination. What are your thoughts? Perhaps the algorithm takes this into account? Or maybe I should attempt to do a recall without looking at the answers first, then select the correct answer?

I find myself making "fuzzy guesses" all the time. Not really knowing the answer, but getting the answer correct because I recognize it a little bit. If I had to do a full blown recall when trying to speak, I wouldn't be able to do it, but I might be able to figure it out if I had multi-choice. But that's not going to help in "the wild". See where I'm going with this?

Just some thoughts, but I don't know if they're useful or not.

Thanks!

I know what you mean with the multiple choice questions. Honestly, all I do is try to answer or recall before I look at the multiple choice. Seems to work for me.

tgbijn
Commented 5 years ago

Yes, I agree that multiple-choice only is a problem. IMO it's probably this site's biggest weakness. It would be great if they could change some drills (e.g. vocabulary) to a free-response system where you type the vocab word's meaning yourself.

ginko
Commented 5 years ago

The only problem I see with that is that it would make the drills slower

トッド
Commented 5 years ago

I agree with the point on multiple choice. You are not required to produce words. It's easy to guess the right answer lots of times by process of elimination. If we had some free response questions, this site would be just about perfect. I really like the SRS review system for grammar.

onestitchatatime
Commented 5 years ago

Well then, we're going to need to start adding some free form text. If you were going to add the ability to type in answers, would you be required to type in Japanese? Would you require the full kanji? What conjugation if it's not clear in the question? What if there are multiple acceptable answers? How do you know what to type? These are the questions we've struggled with when entertaining the idea for supporting free text input on drills. What are your thoughts?

Taylor
Commented 5 years ago

I see your point but surely for vocabulary words or even phrases you would just go with the answer already provided by the lesson. Hiragana via a built-in IME would be a great method for entering answers. I am studying kanji on Wanikani and we use that to enter readings for kanji and vocabulary. Thank you for making this great site.

onestitchatatime
Commented 5 years ago

@Taylor I agree with Onestitchatatime that you should check out how WaniKani does it. As to some of your other points Taylor, I agree that free response presents a huge difficultly from a design perspective. Moving all drills to free response is probably not feasible, but moving a subset of drills to free response is a good goal. Vocab, kanji, or "fill in the particle" drills seem like the easiest place to start. I think you should try to give users some freedom when answering a drill. E.g. accept particle へ in place of に when valid. But it's also fine to impose restrictions on responses. E.g. while the kanji 本 has many meanings: book, origin, real, .etc, perhaps the drill for this kanji will only accept the meaning “book”. And of course you should inform the user ahead of time (in the lesson) that “book” is the only acceptable drill response.

ginko
Commented 5 years ago

I love the responses. We're updating our drills right now with some improvements. We'll start tinkering with the idea of free-form text. And we'll look at other tools as well!

Taylor
Commented 5 years ago

Know someone who might be able to answer this question?

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